Seems like you're not really doing either. Your next opinion goes to the spam box if you can't stay on topic. This display may or may not be directly expressed. A lot of these schemes use tsunami, typhoon, etc. I recommend a few of my hubs for reference:. ColumbusOhio -- your troll rants are rather amusing to read. Maybe one day, "Sven", I'll gather them up and include them in my book I'm writing on Zeek. JJergy -- if you can only post stuff to insult me, instead of discussing Zeek, then you'll get your comments denied.
Everybody needs to stay on topic, even me. Patrick and I live thousands of miles apart. Just because we talk about the same things doesn't mean we are the same people.
Oh, and your next comment will be denied if you don't stay on topic, i. Oh, and you two are the same person out of Columbus Ohio. And you're accusing me of sock-puppeting? Very funny. It will take me a few to figure out how I can let everyone know that you and PPretty are the same person. Kschang is a manager, so he is skilled in managing people. He sees you as his little worker bees and you listen to what he says because he is the manager. Chang, you are turning your blog into a circus.
You are digging pretty deep to get people to believe that your so right. Stick with "arguments" based on the case. I can come out say, that you had a crush on a girl at one point in your life, so I could come out and say Kschang only has blogs to impress girls into thinking he's a journalist. Geez, I heard the national enquirer was hiring. Kschang, good fit. This is confirmed by newspaper archives where he performed alongside Grand Ole Opry singer Sam Houston as "the singing magician". Not saying Clickbank is shady but if the shoe fits, wear it.
They tried taking checks for a while if you type in your bank routing number and check number There was a letter released on the 13th. I got the Kettner email over last weekend, and one of the interesting thing I noticed apart from the SEC admitted According to tbiz At this point you will get a email, that unless you dispute the charge can't remember exact wording your account will now be credited. If you dispute the charge, either as you did not make it or you did not receive the item you purchased, they will not charge you and take up collection from the vendor.
While I doubt that this was new "protection" was introduced because of zeekler and its spin-off idiocies, one of the first things I noticed was that you couldn't use PayPal to "buy VIP points" on Zeekler, which for me was very strange, and PayPal was the "grandfather" of all eWallets and probably the most respected in my opinion.
I am still fascinated and saddened by the number of people falling for the continuation of the same scam. NapoleonJames -- if you actually read the Troy Dooly's site, you should have seen the big disclaimer on top: the alleged speaker will neither confirm or deny. Troy Dooly was citing someone who claimed to be relaying information from this Robert Craddock guy. When Dooly went to confirm this with Craddock, it's "neither confirm nor deny".
Come on, put on your thinking cap Why did they return the retainer, eh? For your information, Ad Surf Daily supporters did the exact same thing. You may have heard of Todd Disner? He may even been your Zeek upline.
Disner had sued the Feds, claiming their evidence is "tissue-paper thin", that "US Prosecutors don't really have a case but to save face have to continue". The difference is Andy Bowdoin chose to fight, and lost. Burks didn't even bother to fight. So who's really fighting, hmmm? Dannis -- I am doing some good in this world by analyzing potential scams. How about you, besides lame "get a life" remarks? Everyone needs a hobby Chang, but most people need a life.
I guess, in your case, one of the two is all you get. Tudom hogy most sokan penzt kuldenek az "ugyvednek" hogy ezzel a penzel be fogjak perelni az SEC-t, de ne hidjel nekuk. Ha tenyleg sikerul nekik akkor te is es mindeki vissza kapod a penzedet, ha nem akkor legalabb nem vessztetell megtobb penzt!
Hi everybody, I am writting from europa, hungary. Does anybody can tell the truth: zeekrewards game over? Because in Hungary many people say that "the news about zeekrewards are fake. Your first warning sign about that is that you can't see who registered that domain.
It's hidden by domain privacy. That should tell you this thing is likely bogus. I've also seen several "prelaunch" domains that fizzled and died on Behindmlm. Check over there. Hi Chang. I admire your analytic skills. Thanks for the best blog about ZR ponzi scheme on earth!
However, if you have time, please help readers by keeping an eye for this getprelaunch. It sounds very similar to ZR. JJ -- all that money are in account that belongs to Rex Venture Group, except for one bank in NC, who reported that it has money that is in account of "NxSystems", presumably that means NxPay. No word from NxSystem yet. What does money found in different bank accounts and other companies have to do with Zeek being a ponzi?
Also, I am still interested in the "interest". Jerry i. JJ, JK, whatever -- posting from work now? That ain't no residential ISP But at least you're somewhat polite this time. AusAlex -- the court did say money seized will go into a "interest bearing account", but did not specify where the interest goes. I'll ask around.
As for that "lawsuit", I see a smokescreen. See my analysis here:. Observers, DMartelonline -- while I thank you for your support, it's getting a bit off topic. See PatrickPretty website for details. You know things are getting desperate when we're thinking that the reason that Zeek closed down is some vast right-wing or left-wing conspiracy. Sheesh what are people drinking or smoking?
I want some ;. You have no control over the ads that appear. Nor do you "own" the page. I'll bet JJ has never cultivated a garden. Cultivating takes you deep into the mystery of how things work and you can only receive insight and revelations pointing you to the truth. If ASD is anything to go by, this could take a few years, and the interest on a few hundred million I don't know current rates in the US will add up to a lot over 3 years.
My second question is: can these funds be return to "investors" why there is a law-suit against the SEC that is may be filed soon? I think everyone should be skeptical of everything.
Websites, advocates of skepticism. Skeptics of Advocates. If someone offers you a job, do a background check on the company. Who cares if it's Google, Microsoft and it's , grand a year. Turn down that offer and start a blog against companies willing to pay people a lot of money. Imagine me sitting in a cubicle making tons of money and doing less work that that guy. Life is truly sweet. People trully worked harder at Zeek in a day, than I work all month.
How dare people try to influence me to work for my money!!!! I don't have time to place silly ads between my time playing fantasy football, commenting on blogs, and 3 starbucks runs a day!!!! JJ -- Why should I answer your derail?
You've been warned. Next comment from you is going into the spam bin. Have a nice day. It's sad when it's posted all over you blog, but you are still unable to admit that fact. Money that is not reported is being pocketed by your lover Romney. JJ -- ah, the shifting goalpost. First it's Romney campaign, then it's "next election". Any further retreat planned, JJ? The receiver is part of the conspiracy.
Money is not reported and given to the party. Also interest from hundreds of millions of dollars sitting in the receivers bank account accrues for the next election.
JJ who apparently also posted as "Janet" from same IP address -- How can money being held by receiver for a couple years stuck in a court mandated account win anybody a campaign? Your conspiracy is rather inventive though. Still, please discuss Zeek, else your next comment is gonna be marked as spam. It appears that zeek was shutdown by Romney supporters right before the election. It appears that hundreds of millions of dollars could win someone an election.
Kschang, you wouldn't know anything about that would you? It's not like you don't reap advertising dollars from the Romney Campaign? Why don't you give up some of that cash to your boyfriend PPretty.
He could use some support. You tell me how likely is that to succeed? That way, it can't be diverted into other purposes. I have explained my reasoning in my other hub.
What I find really sad, and in the log term dangerous for themselves is that there are still people out there who truly believe in Zeekler. I was reading another blog, where a guy was really proud of his wife for sending a letter to the SEC, about how they had no right to shut Zeekler down. I will not post link as those who want to can find it. Another thing that is interesting is all those idiots I don't mean all the affiliates, as i was also one of them although these days I have been calling myself an idiot , bus the ones who post that the only reason Zeekler was shut down was because they did not want people to make money.
I mean seriously!?!? I would like to laugh, but I just find it sad. For those people much earlier in the discussion who comment these I will call idiots essentially that: so what if it IS a Ponzi, we are making money, so it is a good think.
I think this shows that it is a good think that one of things a government is supposed to do is save people from their own idiocy. I am not in the US, and am interest to know if it possible how will the receiver 'claw-back' money from overseas affiliates? Someone earlier mentioned a group of people forming a lawsuit against the SEC, as they have "proof" that Zeekler is not a Ponzi, and that the SEC lied or only presented the info that suited them and they say that they are likely to win the suit and need support IE: your money.
I have been to the site as I have been getting emails about this for the past days apparently the the lawsuit was started by one of my up, up, up Another this i have realised through this I learned it number of years ago, but in my greed I ignored my own misgivings , is NEVER invest more money than you are willing to lose! Again I thank the universe my good karma for not letting my put more money in. I am not trying to kick anyone when they are down, and feeling bad about themselves been there, done that , but any time in the future that someone says that "this is a sure-fire way to make lots of money for very little or no work, please remember what I said.
If you truly believe that it IS a legal and viable enterprise, the only put in what you are willing to loose that DON'T build your future dreams on it. If IS a proper and viable business plan you will get there in the end even if it takes you longer , and it isn't you can walk away yes feeling fullish but you will not be financially devastated.
I just found your blog and find the comments very interesting. A family member signed up as an affiliate in May and tried to convince me to sign up, as well. I listened to his spiel and immediately thought "Ponzi scheme", wished him well and declined to join. I remarked I truly believe the old addage "if it seems to good to be true, it is" and I stick by it.
This is not the first Ponzi scheme I have been asked to take part in and I'm sure it won't be the last, but it has made me more determined to avoid any scheme that guarantees big rates of return. If they have any news to share, it'd be on the website. Answering phones takes time away from investigation and nailing down money to be return to you all. All cashier's checks in Zeek possession belongs to ZeekRewards and thus the receiver.
Right now he's busy nailing down every last dollar in Zeek possession and tally up the total. He is obligated by court to go after every dollar, he stated. He did not say what that meant, but that presumably includes after any other assets in Burks possession, as well as possibility of clawback lawsuits.
Any and all lawsuits against Zeek has been stayed by court order, and he needs more time to investigate the matter. I was being pushed by my husband and family to invest because of all the "money" they were supposedly making. I felt it was a ponzi scheme and because of this blog I said no.
I'm listening and I'm caught up on your blog finally :D. Thank you very much for your time and effort into researching this scam.
You are very much appreciated and have become a major read for myself and others I have shared this site with along with BMLM. I'm off now to read archives on BMLM. A shame I didn't do enough due diligence and find these sites sooner. Obviously, I couldn't find the store to buy my ammo from to shoot the duck :D Thanks again. I hope people reading this will take to heart exactly what's going on and decide not to participate with cheesy, unprofessional business people.
In addition, thank your lucky stars that KS Chang has an interest in exposing convoluted business practices. Think about who's backing it: top affiliates want to keep it going.
KS Chang, once again your Hub is linked in one of my blog posts. I saw all the whining and crying before I read your hub : But here's the upshot. Mac -- you'll have to ask Craddock. He's the Consultant for RVG, not me. If he had insider info, he should have released it a week ago, or it's something not even head of the company, Paul Burks, and his lawyer s know about. And what are the chances of that, since Craddock wasn't ever mentioned as working for Zeek until end of July, which is only like a month ago?
Or the worst case scenario: he has nothing, and he just want to pump dumb affiliates for more money. KC, can you maybe shed some light or thoughts on what "proof" these delusional ppl might have? Following is the part that I was asking about earlier I guess ;. Over this past week, we have sought out to get the proof that was needed to prove that Zeek Rewards was not a Ponzi scheme and not an investment but rather a legal viable business that was thriving and paying out its affiliates daily profit sharing from the proceeds from the Zeekler auctions and Free Store Club and not that of the proceeds from purchasing of sample VIP bids by its affiliates.
Mac, see my own comment from about 2 days ago. This stinks to high heaven. I consider this a "reload scam" and thus I am denying your comment. Jaime Ramon -- it was the Feds that closed Zeek, not the state.
Thus, your petition is going to achieve nothing. Furthermore, it will end up on spam lists as it proves anyone who signed it is gullible to support a scam already shut down by the government. Thus, I have to deny your comment. Not a good idea. European regulators will not welcome a company that has been busted by the U.
Where is the money coming from? If the new company has no money, how are you going to get your money back? The SEC will be very upset about this and can declare any fund transfers between you and new Zeek illegal. You sure do not want to get your name or bank on any list transferring illegal funds! Excellent write up kschang. If you know of any person s that needs information or help on recovering from their losses due to this theft, please refer them to my site, www.
There is also a webinar that provides very good information on saving taxes from Ponzi Scheme tax losses. I've got news that he started a website claiming SEC's action signed off by a judge and all that is illegal and is seeking donations.
And he has help from various affiliates who had been defending Zeek as of 2 weeks ago. Unverified and all that, guess it ain't so "private", eh? After that Reddit hoax, I personally rate that reliability as low. We shall see. Tim Silva was one the of the people who threw people off the Zeek Fb site for asking too many questions.
Alex I just want to send this private message to you and Dawn. I believe If Paul would have fought he would have won. But the out come would still be the same. ZEEK would still be closed. And maybe some day we can meet again. I wish the both of you a happy marriage and a good life Thanks to the action of the SEC, if SEC did not take any action, i am afraid i would invest more money in this ponzi scheme and lose more!
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I know someone who put 10K in. Look at the K phenomena. You can bitch about regulation but before you do remember its an imperfect world. The question I ask is would you rather have an imperfect world with atavistic capitalism with no regulation or would you rather have some restraint on the predatory sociopaths that seem reasonably abundant.
Remember the SEC is pretty underfunded and remember the amount of political resources that the financial industry has. I just think what they did to PokerStars was awful and that they can cause a false sense of security. There are plenty of other examples where regulation has failed and its not just because they were underfunded.
SEC budget increased And regulation can increase volatility too. And as I mentioned in the article, given that Zeekler was about to fall apart anyways, how much did the SEC really save investors here? I was first approached about ZeekRewards in December of Like everyone else I did not believe. I told the person who spoke with me to come back to me when he was making money. Well, by May of he was making very good money that I could verify. Everything went just as advertized and I received each check on schedule until the shutdown.
Not disputing this. My problem is that everyone that I knew that were affiliants were comfortable with how it was going and received their payments. I understand why the SEC stepped in. They made sure they every one lost their money. The government will of course get its millions in fines. Paul Burks will probably get a lot of grief but eventually walk away smelling like a rose because he pays the government what they want.
We will hear about how the government will decide what to do with all the funds frozen. And maybe after years some people will receive a small portion. Problem is by then, many of the hurt individuals now will be dead and gone. I expect the government knows this. To me the proper thing to do would have been to step in and take control, notify the affiliants of the decision and have a plan in place at that point to allow affilants the opportunity to at least gradually receive a portion of the money they put into the business back.
I am not saying get all the money we supposed earned and purchased additional bids with. Just the funds that people intitially put directly into ZeekRewards. I understand why Paul Burks is in hiding. If I was a crook like he has turned out to be I would probably be asking for some type of witness protection in my dealings with the government. Oh, by the way, I believe the government runs the biggest Ponzi scheme in the world.
It is called Social Security. They require us to pay. Then take funds for other uses and then collect funds from new investors our children to pay for our benefits.
How many years has that Ponzi scheme run? Close but so far it has not colapsed even though the government itself warns that it is always close. Pingback: Zeekler: Owned.
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